In a thought-provoking conversation, L.A. Marzulli and Mondo Gonzales discussed the spiritual implications of current events surrounding Israel, the rise of antisemitism and the fulfillment of biblical prophecy—including the red heifer and Third Temple movement.
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The conversation started with a focus on the Oct. 7, 2023, attacks by Hamas in Israel. Marzulli cited an affidavit from Hamas that named the red heifer ceremony as a reason for the attack on Israel. “It’s stated right in there. The red heifers, the ceremony, kill the heifers, get the ashes, sprinkle them on the temple and the rest is history,” Marzulli said.
Gonzales noted, “Hamas…they’re masters of propaganda, and sadly the West and the Western media, they eat it right up without any sort of discernment.” He added that the document reflected Hamas’ concerns about “the progress of Saudi Arabia with the Abrahamic Accords” and Israel’s increasingly religious government, which included temple-related developments.
The discussion then shifted to replacement theology, a controversial doctrine that claims the church has replaced Israel in God’s redemptive plan. “Replacement theology…it’s wrong on so many levels. And yet most of the church believes in a non-millennial approach,” Marzulli said.
Gonzales explained the historical roots of this theology: “Going back early—I mean to the second century—Justin Martyr…wrote very clearly that the church was spiritual Israel.” He added, “As you said, that became the belief by mostly Gentiles…trying to understand some continuity between the Old Testament and the New Testament.”
They also addressed the rise in antisemitism following the Oct. 7, 2023, attack. “It was a bloodbath,” Marzulli said. “And then, of course, Israel responded. And as of today…Hamas has still not surrendered. Let that sink in.” He lamented, “We see it everywhere…it’s not going away.”
Gonzales responded, “Whenever you see that sort of irrational behavior, there’s only one answer—and that is either somebody is insane…or it’s spiritual. There’s a blindness there.” He warned this spiritual blindness is “creeping into the church as well.”
The pair also explored the theological divide over Christian Zionism. Gonzales said, “Christian Zionism is simply the belief that the promises of God are still attributed to the nation of Israel…That doesn’t mean they’re saved.” He pointed to the book of Judges as evidence: “Did they lose their chosenness? No. Chosenness is separate. It doesn’t mean saved.”
Looking ahead to prophecy, he reminded listeners of Jeremiah 30:7: “It’s the time of Jacob’s trouble, and he will be saved out of it. And God will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
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Marzulli closed with a sobering observation: “They are the nation of Israel. They are God’s prophetic timepiece. Everything starts right out of the Bible.”
With antisemitism on the rise, spiritual confusion growing and prophetic events accelerating, Marzulli and Gonzales called believers to discernment, biblical clarity and unwavering support for God’s promises to Israel.
Abby Trivett is content development editor for Charisma Media.
